SH80 Comments - Brought to you by JoeUserhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/rss/comments© 2006 - 2008 Stardock Corporation. All rights reserved.Musings from a liberally conserative idealistic realisten-us2008-07-24T14:51:362008-07-24T14:51:36http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/rss/rss.htmlStardock Rss Generator v1.0, Andrew Powellinfo@stardock.comapowell@stardock.comLocamamahttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774Success or failure is never final.

Which is a very good thing. ]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Locamama on He Did the Best He Could for MeLocamamahttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774Did you know that Staind is going to Lubbock but not coming to DFW on tour?  What is up with that? 

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Locamama on He Did the Best He Could for MeLocamamahttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774
I carry bitterness and resentment as do you. But, I choose to process, understand, and grow from the hurts so that I don't reside within these destructive feelings. And, yes, it is hard.
  I try but sometimes I fail miserably. 

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Locamama on He Did the Best He Could for MeLocamamahttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774I am sorry that you are going through this.  I have been having marital problems for a long time and though I try hard not to be. it's hard to keep from being bitter and angry.  I do feel like my husband has abandoned our family - not just me.  I want the best for my boys and that includes their dad being in their lives.  I'm going to try harder to keep things amicable for the sake of my boys.  It's just hard because I don't want this divorce and it sounds like your ex didn't either.  It's hard to rise above those feelings of rejection and hurt. 

btw, I love staind.  They have some lyrics that totally hit me too.  Right Here Waiting is my song.  I have been right here waiting for way too long though.  "I've got some imperfections but how can you collect them all and throw them in my face... but you always find a way to keep me right me here waiting...and if you choose to walk away, I'll still be right here waiting".

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Locamama on He Did the Best He Could for MeTexas Wahinehttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/318774Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Texas Wahine on He Did the Best He Could for MeDr Guyhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167
For the most part, the changes my wife has wanted me to make were for the better. IN areas that I dont tend to think about (and by extension, I dont think men as a rule dwell upon). And my wife has changed to accomodate my idiocyncracies as well.

I know in some cases the cliche I wrote earlier will lead to conflict and struggle in a marriage. But not always. In many cases it is neccessary for 2 individuals to bond into a family. The latter is my case. But even when good and neccessary, change is often hard on anyone. My marriage has not always been a bed of roses, but at least there were not too many thorns. ]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Dr Guy on To Change or Not to Change in MarriageTexas Wahinehttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167LOL, I figured I was going out on a limb calling them universal, but I do believe them to be true. 


The sooner people realize they can't make anyone do, feel, or believe ANYTHING they don't want to, the happier and more harmonious everything will be.


Some habits or beliefs or whatever are unacceptable and cannot be condoned.  Most, though, are just things you have to learn to accept as part of who the person we love is, even if it doesn't fit our desires for that person.

I don't want my mate on my case all the time and constantly reminding me of my flaws, so I try not to do it him.  We gotta be who we are, after all.

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Texas Wahine on To Change or Not to Change in Marriagelobsterhunterhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167
1. Everyone changes. Not necessarily intentionally in order to grow or please someone else, but life changes and shapes us with or without our consent. 2. You can't change another person. You can demand, beg, manipulate, sweet talk, model change, and anything else you can come up with, but you can't make or convince someone to change if they don't wish it so.

These two universal truths changed my life. Thank you for articulating them so well . . .

 

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36lobsterhunter on To Change or Not to Change in MarriageTexas Wahinehttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167
1. Everyone changes. Not necessarily intentionally in order to grow or please someone else, but life changes and shapes us with or without our consent.

2. You can't change another person. You can demand, beg, manipulate, sweet talk, model change, and anything else you can come up with, but you can't make or convince someone to change if they don't wish it so.

Marriage makes you vulnerable because you make a commitment to someone without any guarantee that they will always be the person you feel is so compatible and admirable to you. You have no control over their actions or who they are...maybe the illusion of control, or maybe influence, but really you only have as much influence as they WANT you to have.

I think the cliche about men wanting wives not to change and women wanting their husbands to change is cynical and based on negative (and not all that valid) stereotypes of men and women. Not very progressive or positive thinking.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Texas Wahine on To Change or Not to Change in MarriageLocamamahttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167I didn't think I would change my husband when I married him but he has definately changed.  I have changed too.   I wouldn't want to be with someone who was frozen at the age, maturity and experience they were when I married them.  I want them to keep growing and improving as I am trying to grow and improve myself too. 

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Locamama on To Change or Not to Change in MarriageKarmaGirlhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167Both my husband and I have changed.  We have pretty much both changed in the same direction.  I don't know if it is possible for people not to change as they experience different things in their lives.  Now, that doesn't mean that the other person will always be happy with the change, however. 


I didn't marry my husband wanting him to change.  I married him because he is who he is.  I think people set themselves up for disappointment if they expect people to be anything different than what they are.



]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/316167Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36KarmaGirl on To Change or Not to Change in MarriageOckhamsRazorhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418 I'm an atheist...please don't associate me with lawyers ]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36OckhamsRazor on Does God Really Care?CharlesCShttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Just to answer the earlier question, I'm a Military musician by trade. Being one of Satan's helpers is more of a hobby.

Hehe, the reason I asked was because you said this:

The simple answer is that God doesn't exist.


I figured if you were a lawyer you already knew you were going to hell so why bother believing in God. LOL.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36CharlesCS on Does God Really Care?OckhamsRazorhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Oh...I forgot to answer Leuki's question.

 

It's simpler because it doesn't require rationalization.  Pretty sure I said that.

 

Here's a site some might find interesting.  Or not.

 

Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36OckhamsRazor on Does God Really Care?OckhamsRazorhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Just to answer the earlier question, I'm a Military musician by trade.  Being one of Satan's helpers is more of a hobby.

 

*tries to look serious*

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36OckhamsRazor on Does God Really Care?CharlesCShttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418God gave free will to choose God or not God. Therefore, anything not God is either from our own exercise of free will or Satan and his demons' exercise of free will. While God allows bad things to happen in order to enable free will, he does not do bad himself. He also works through his church to combat bad things that do happen and turn them good, and to launch other, non-bad-thing-related good works.

So when I say bad works are from Satan, I'm not just saying... ooo, Satan, there's a scapegoat for me... It's because I really believe he is the overwhelming cause of the bad in the world. I don't consider consequences to your own actions to be 'bad things' though, they're just consequences. God does discipline those He loves, not willing to protect them from all harm, because that would cause more harm.

I understand what you are saying and hope you did not take my quetion as an insult. But I do notice some people tend to blame the devil for all bad things that happen as if somehow people are unable to stop themselves from doing wrong. I just find that ridiculous.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36CharlesCS on Does God Really Care?Jythierhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Is it just me or doesn't it seem easier to blame Satan rather than dealing with having our beliefs being challenged?

God gave free will to choose God or not God. Therefore, anything not God is either from our own exercise of free will or Satan and his demons' exercise of free will. While God allows bad things to happen in order to enable free will, he does not do bad himself. He also works through his church to combat bad things that do happen and turn them good, and to launch other, non-bad-thing-related good works.

So when I say bad works are from Satan, I'm not just saying... ooo, Satan, there's a scapegoat for me... It's because I really believe he is the overwhelming cause of the bad in the world. I don't consider consequences to your own actions to be 'bad things' though, they're just consequences. God does discipline those He loves, not willing to protect them from all harm, because that would cause more harm.

As for SH80's situation, God does really care.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Jythier on Does God Really Care?CharlesCShttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418That's my point. The church that does not tithe or partake in service is the church that winds up driving the poor into the ground. The Church has the resources to stop world hunger if everyone would tithe.

The only ones with the power to stop world hunger are those who are hungry. The problem is violence is the only solution. Because those who are making them suffer will never change, and unless you or anyone else expects God to all of a sudden turn everyone good or kill all the bad people (end the human civilization for that matter) violence is the only course of action, no matter what anyone wants to believe (even Barack Obama).]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36CharlesCS on Does God Really Care?CharlesCShttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Why are people so quick to give responses such as "The Lord works in mysterious ways?"

Oh, that's easy. Because it's easier to say I don't know than to bother checking. I believe in God, I just believe in him in a different way. Unlike many, I just don't believe God picks people at random or from a list and gives them good fortune every time something good happens to someone. I think people earn what they get or get it by chance (like the lottery) most of the time. God simply judges you by what you do with your life.

The Lord works in mysterious ways? So does the devil. How can you tell the difference sometimes? But I do find it a bit sad that when someone does something good, it's not always thanks to them, but thanks to God. Which makes one wonder why bother trying if someone else or in this case God, gets all the merit. Why make the effort if according to those who thank God for are basically telling me he would have made me do it anyways so why make the effort? the same can be said for the devil, do something wrong and the devil has you convinced. Not that you had anything to do with it and therefor take the blame.

I think some people expect too much from God and forget to be human. My mom is one still to this date waiting for a miracle that will help her and her family got out of financial problems. I can't imagine why God would want to do something we can do ourselves. But that's just me.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36CharlesCS on Does God Really Care?erathonielhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418
1) "The better question would be asked by me:" So...your question is better than my own...thanks for opening with a response that is so affirming and encouraging.

Yes, but as someone with a computer you should be in the upper 50% of the world.

2) "he only does things with minds for the most part" I supposed I'm out of my mind?

Nope. It's perfectly natural to falter. The problem is that if you wait only upon God, but avoid doing your own insight, you will fail.

3) "but the Church persecuting them through disobedience." This is NOT the church I want to be involved with. This is the church I want to run from.

That's my point. The church that does not tithe or partake in service is the church that winds up driving the poor into the ground. The Church has the resources to stop world hunger if everyone would tithe.

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36erathoniel on Does God Really Care?CharlesCShttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418The simple answer is that God doesn't exist.

Or, perhaps Satan works in really obvious ways to make you think God doesn't exist.


Is it just me or doesn't it seem easier to blame Satan rather than dealing with having our beliefs being challenged?]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36CharlesCS on Does God Really Care?CharlesCShttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418
Hope you don't mind the question, which is a bit out of topic but I have my reasons which I will explain after I ask and hopefully receive and answer. Did you say before you were a lawyer or were in that line of business?]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36CharlesCS on Does God Really Care?Jythierhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418"Well, the lord works in mysterious ways.."

Or, perhaps Satan works in really obvious ways to make you think God doesn't exist.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Jythier on Does God Really Care?Leaukihttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418

The simple answer is that God doesn't exist.

How is that simple?

 

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Leauki on Does God Really Care?OckhamsRazorhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418
No, he doesn't. He just isn't there in the first place. See how much more sense that makes?]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36OckhamsRazor on Does God Really Care?SanChoninohttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418God uses the Church for his commandments, and the faith and obedience of the Church is His physical influence in the world (he only does things with minds for the most part, with the exception of miracles), therefore it is not the result of others being persecuted, but the Church persecuting them through disobedience.

I have no idea what you just said. This paragraph has less to say than my roommate's cacophonous farts all day yesterday.

Erathoniel - fail.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36SanChonino on Does God Really Care?Locamamahttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418I believe that God does care.  Unfortunately, God's timeline isn't always on the same timeline we are. 

http://www.unityonline.org/prayer/articles/findingRightEmployment.html

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Locamama on Does God Really Care?erathonielhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418The better question would be asked by me:

    Why am I here? Here where I have so much that I did nothing for. Why is it that I am not one of the ones with nothing and I, through no merit of my own, recieve so much stuff that I can become physically sick from eating, when there are people dying?

The answer is this:

    God uses the Church for his commandments, and the faith and obedience of the Church is His physical influence in the world (he only does things with minds for the most part, with the exception of miracles), therefore it is not the result of others being persecuted, but the Church persecuting them through disobedience.

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/314418Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36erathoniel on Does God Really Care?little-whiphttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Despite the fact that I am saved, I don't believe that God expects me to walk around with a “smile on my face and a song in my heart” at all times and at all costs so that others see me as “set apart” through smiles and clichés (or Christianese) for I believe that others see that as disingenuous or as an impossible standard…at least I do. I believe that others need to see my struggles and my honesty with those struggles. I think others need to see that I've all fallen short, and that I can express what I've learned through those experiences, and how I grew (or am growing) from them

KFC needs to read and consider this.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36little-whip on Not an Atheist, but a RealistOckhamsRazorhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241At least...until I publish my book of "Zoo's Kickass Sayings."

Mari and I both want a signed copy.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36OckhamsRazor on Not an Atheist, but a RealistTexas Wahinehttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308828http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308828http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308828Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Texas Wahine on Yes! Yes! Yes!Texas Wahinehttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308828
Tenille will be happy to hear that his teacher suggested I put him up for Gifted & Talented this year. ]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308828http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308828Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Texas Wahine on Yes! Yes! Yes!Texas Wahinehttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308828
Tenille described the first date when we were visiting you guys last summer, and all I can say is A+++++!! haha.

I love it. I'm so happy for the two of you. ]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308828http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308828Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Texas Wahine on Yes! Yes! Yes!Zoologist03http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Great quote...Can I "borrow" it for later use?

Oh, sure...feel free to use my clever quips as you see fit.

At least...until I publish my book of "Zoo's Kickass Sayings."

~Zoo]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Zoologist03 on Not an Atheist, but a RealistZoologist03http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241
It's not about what you do, because, in the end, we fail.


Actually, in my opinion it's the impact you have on others that guides your own salvation. That's what I think is most important. Actions that exhibit love, compassion, and all that other Jesus stuff. Belief takes a backseat to all that.

You can profess your love for Jesus, but if you cannot express it towards other people then you really don't get it.

...or at least, that's how I see it.

~Zoo

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Zoologist03 on Not an Atheist, but a Realisterathonielhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241I think you actually have a better view than most people on salvation. It's not about what you do, because, in the end, we fail.

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36erathoniel on Not an Atheist, but a RealistZoologist03http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241
I like reading your comments back. You're a cool cat, zoo (pun intended)!

Thankee.

~Zoo

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Zoologist03 on Not an Atheist, but a RealistZoologist03http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241I see life as a clock with a swinging pendulum. I believe that the best place for me is to be is right in the middle...not too far to the right or not too far to the left. I believe that a balance in life helps to maintain me in the middle...some work...some play...some joy...some sadness...some successes...some failures...some seriousness...some fun.

YES! Balance is the key. Too much of anything is not good for you, even religion. Obsession taints the very thing you're trying to enjoy.

~Zoo]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Zoologist03 on Not an Atheist, but a RealistOckhamsRazorhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241
I'm not perfect (and I'm okay with that now); but I am trying to be the best husband, father, son, brother, brother-in-law, family member, friend, co-worker, etc. that I can be.

 

That's about all anyone could do.  I like your writing.  And don't sell yourself too short.  You'd make a very respectable atheist, Christian, Muslim, or Hindi.  It's a shame that 3 of those wouldn't necessarily agree.

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/308241Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36OckhamsRazor on Not an Atheist, but a RealistDr Guyhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/303322We have a clock on the stove, microwave, and Cable box (plus the obligatory ones on the computers).  So no, we dont have a bunch of clocks, just a bunch of devices with clocks. 

And no, I have never noticed that about Roman Numeral clocks.  Now I have to find one and look at it!

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/303322http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/303322Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Dr Guy on Saving Daylight...My Waywebnavigatorhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516
That's your opinion. I am who I am. I'm a Christian. I have a very strong faith. It's not an outward faith, it's coming from within. Like I said, I can't separate myself from my faith. It's a part of me. I don't push my faith onto you Dharma. Where is your tolerance and belief in free speech here? Even here, don't you see you're putting limits on my answer?


Some people sound more laid back than others while some have a stronger personality. If anyone thinks you to sound like you'r talking out of a textbook then they shouldn't continue reading your posts KFC

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36webnavigator on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.KFC Kickin For Christhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516
Here we go again. You never, ever answer any questions, but you want to be explain myself to you, to answer you.

What questions?  You never ask me questions.  You show up, blast me out and hightail it out.  That's why I refer to you as a hit and run.  You don't stick around long enough to have a conversation.  This is the best it gets right here.

I'll do it. Not because I feel like I owe you one, but because I want you to shut up and quit with the 'poor pitiful me; see how I am being persecuted for my faith' bull-poo act.

Shut up?  Ok.  That makes sense.  That's exactly what I believe too.  I think you're being honest here.  That's really what this is isn't it?  I never, never, never go out to pity parties.  What I do, is ask you and whomever questions like .....why are you so angry?  Why so vulgar towards me?  Why the animosity?  Why the attacks?  That's not the same as saying I'm looking for pity.   I'm just trying to get you to see that you're going off the point and getting caught up in emotion and rather than attack an issue, you attack the person.  Nothing about pity.   Why would I want pity?   It's not like I don't expect this reaction to my beliefs would happen. 

You offend me every time you open your sacntimonious mouth and tell the world what a great christian you are

Exactly.  I know I do.  So what's the answer?  Shut up?  Where exactly have I told the world I'm a great Christian?  I've never professed that.  I don't even believe there is such a thing as a "great Christian."   I talk about my faith all the time.  Yes, it's part of who I am. Just like you write about things that say who you are.  I can't separate myself from my faith like the politicians say they do. 

So it's ok for you to offend me with your anger and vulgarity against me but when I talk about my faith on my blog it offends you?  Something's wrong here.  Do you see it?  I never ever go on your blog.  Ever.  I never ever try to engage you in coversation because I know how you feel.  I let you be.  I respect where you are.  So be it.  I don't bother you. 

Now that I've answered your questions, I want you to answer mine: why do you feel the need to wear your faith like some kind of badge? I don't want scriptural answers or what you think your god wants you to do, I want YOUR answer.

That's your opinion.  I am who I am.  I'm a Christian.  I have a very strong faith. It's not an outward faith, it's coming from within.   Like I said, I can't separate myself from my faith.  It's a part of me.  I don't push my faith onto you Dharma.  Where is your tolerance and belief in free speech here?  Even here, don't you see you're putting limits on my answer? 

 

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36KFC Kickin For Christ on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.webnavigatorhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Amazing post, honestly too often far too often I've had other christians contemplate my loyalty my cause and my purpose. I have cowered before other believers and let them critisize me, mock me and make fun of my wrong doings. Yet they are the same way, vulnerable to temptation, violent thoughts and the like. I have seen people around me turn away from the Lord and for some with good reason. I don't believe turning away from the Lord is the answer for me though. With all due respect to what people think of my faith due to the poor example us as you call it "bums" or "christians" have toted around... I made the choice. I accepted Jesus as my lord and savior and I spoke out. No matter how young no matter how old, we will always have a choice that revolves around consequences. I chose whats right, I believe my choice is right and that's all that matters. No matter what God you believe in no matter what faith you have, the fact remains we were all given a choice between right and wrong and even if it's not apparently harmful to others but is still wrong and you make that choice, it (the choice) would be yours to make.

To reitterate there are choices to be had, good or bad you make them and while some choices that do not immediatly harm others may be wrong they are your choices to make and despite the choice you should be respected as a human being able of that dignity that choice and that power to govern yourself accordingly. Just because I am a believer and believe my faith is the right path does not mean I will ever try to rationalize a fundementalist way of thinking involving fire and brimstone preaching or brute force. It's even biblical that we were all given a choice, and judgement day is not today nor the day ahead of us, for that time is not chosen by us; mankind alone.

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36webnavigator on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.Jythierhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Now that's what I call a Sunday morning service!

I just watched a video of a 1992 sermon about Jesus turning over the tables, and that God's house shall be called a house of Prayer... was very good. It is a very strange picture of Jesus to see him whipping people with cords in order to get them out of the temple... ]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Jythier on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.Zoologist03http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516
The Bible - rated "R"

Or XXX with a prostitute's recollection of Egyptian donkey-like dongs(Ezekiel 23:19-20)...and David's wedding dowry of Philistine Foreskins. (1 Samuel 18:25-27)

Now that's what I call a Sunday morning service!

~Zoo

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Zoologist03 on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.Jythierhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Jythier on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.Zoologist03http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516 
I remember this one movie where this guy had a friend at his house, and the police came for his friend. Thinking fast, the first guy says "No no no...why don't you guys go gang bang my daughter instead...let my friend be, whatever you do." That movie got an R rating, I think. Oh wait. Duh. That wasn't a movie...

LoL. The daughter was a virgin, too, wasn't she? And the police didn't want to arrest the friend, they wanted to cornholio him.

Hahahahaha!

What are you talkin' about?  That's as wholesome as can be?

  Right? 

~Zoo

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36Zoologist03 on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.little-whiphttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516I remember this one movie where this guy had a friend at his house, and the police came for his friend. Thinking fast, the first guy says "No no no...why don't you guys go gang bang my daughter instead...let my friend be, whatever you do." That movie got an R rating, I think.

Oh wait. Duh. That wasn't a movie...

LoL. The daughter was a virgin, too, wasn't she? And the police didn't want to arrest the friend, they wanted to cornholio him.]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36little-whip on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.dharmagrlhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516
I asked you particulary Dharma what I did to offend YOU? You did not answer me. Why? Is this a hard question?

Here we go again.  You never, ever answer any questions, but you want to be explain myself to you, to answer you. 

I'll do it. Not because I feel like I owe you one, but because I want you to shut up and quit with the 'poor pitiful me; see how I am being persecuted for my faith' bull-poo act.

You offend me every time you open your sacntimonious mouth and tell the world what a great christian you are (yes, you DO do that).  You offend me every time you behave as if you are the be all and end all when it comes to christian knowledge.  You empitomize what your book of faith describes as a 'pharisee', and that offends me too.   You take others to task for their actions - see your first comment on this thread if you need further explanation - yet you excuse your son and daughter in law's premarital FORNICATION and the child it produced by saying that they got excited and decided to celebrate their engagement a little early. C'mon, KFC. You and I both know that that's highly unlikely; that they were in all probability going at it like rabbits and just happened to not take as much care as they should have.

When are you going to get a clue and see that it's NOT everyone else that's the problem, it's YOU? 

Would you like some help removing that plank from your eye?

 

Now that I've answered your questions, I want you to answer mine: why do you feel the need to wear your faith like some kind of badge?  I don't want scriptural answers or what you think your god wants you to do, I want YOUR answer. 

]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36dharmagrl on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.OckhamsRazorhttp://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516PS- An "R" rating on a movie simply means it's for adults, not that it's sinful in some way. Fekkin morons.

What's amusing to me is that excessive violence is enough to get a movie an "R" rating.

I remember this one movie where this guy had a friend at his house, and the police came for his friend. Thinking fast, the first guy says "No no no...why don't you guys go gang bang my daughter instead...let my friend be, whatever you do." That movie got an R rating, I think.

Oh wait. Duh. That wasn't a movie...]]>http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516http://sh-80.joeuser.com/article/302516Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:51:36 -04002008-07-24T14:51:36OckhamsRazor on I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.